As a long-standing member of the F4F community, I find it necessary to write about my extreme displeasure with the FOTY contest this year. I participate yearly in the contest by casting votes and credits to models whom I find worthy. I have no qualms or pretensions that my opinion of ‘worthy’ differs from other members, and accept the results cast by the broad membership.
I do have a problem when I believe that my time, effort, and money are being wasted by the site and its administrative/operating directors. I am speaking specifically about the Fan Club category this year. I am an unabashed fan of Parker Rain, who, in my opinion, runs the best, most professional, and consistent fan club on the site. I have enjoyed her Fan Club so much that I invested at least 3,000 credits per month this year to keep my membership active. I know that I am not the only member who has done this. This year’s results have just been posted, albeit extremely attenuated from the conclusion of the contest, showing Eva Sin as the winner. Once again, I have no problem with a model other than the one I chose winning the competition. I have a big problem, however, when the model, albeit F4F’s GOAT, does not participate in a Fan Club offering no (or limited) shows or special content throughout the year.
Please explain how any model under such circumstances could even qualify to compete in this category. I understand that the competition results are based on credit compilation, but when one offers nothing to the category except a plea at the end of the year to their devotees to join a fictitious fan club, something is not right for models who strive for excellence throughout the entire year. To qualify for the category, I think one should contribute at least an hour or two per month to performing in the Fan Club, or offer content available only to Fan Club members. The process being used is indeed flawed.
I admit I don’t know the formula you use to calculate competition credits; however, on all but 5 days this year, it took six times as many credits to join Parker Rain’s Fan Club as it did for any other on the site. Using any viable formula, based on most models' fan club charges, other models would have to consistently bring in more than six times as many fans as Parker. There are at least 10 consistent monthly members of Parker’s Fan Club each month, not counting others who may join to try it out. That means the next-closest model would have to consistently have at least 50 more members than Parker’s club does monthly. I’m not sure you could prove to me that any one Fan Club on the site consistently has 60 members per month.
Something must be done to improve the way this category is calculated next year. Until I get an answer on how it will be accomplished, I will withhold purchasing fan clubs. The process feels fraudulent and a waste of my credits and loyalty. That’s the biggest pity of all, given my many years on F4F. Quote

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I agree with you Master, and I’ll start the same way you did: Full transparency that I’m a huge fan of Parker’s room and her Fan Club. And like you, I have absolutely no issue with another model winning a category we’re going for in the room, different members value different things, and that’s part of what makes the site work. The problem isn’t who won, it’s how the result appears to have been reached.

When you look back at the entire year and take into account the price of each model’s Fan Club and the number of members consistently paying those rates month after month, the maths simply isn’t mathing. Parker’s Fan Club has been priced significantly higher than most on the site for the vast majority of the year (literally the maximum allowed for Fan Club), yet she has maintained a loyal, consistent group of “Purples” willing to pay that premium every single month. For another Fan Club priced far lower to outperform that on pure credit accumulation alone would require a volume of consistent members that, frankly, seems unrealistic when you look at typical Fan Club sizes across the site.

I appreciate that Flirt can’t publicly disclose the exact credit totals or internal formulas for each contest category. That said, I do firmly believe far more transparency is needed around how these rankings are calculated - especially this year, when the results took considerably longer than usual to be announced and even had to be reworked before finally being released. When delays and corrections happen, clarity becomes even more important to maintain trust.

While I acknowledge that “Fan Club” is a broad category, it should absolutely take into account actual Fan Club activity:
• Credits spent on Gan Club memberships
• Time spent hosting members-only shows
• Frequency of posts on the Fan Club page
• (Basically just ongoing engagement throughout the year)

Comparing the two rooms in question makes the outcome especially disappointing. As you pointed out, one model provided little to no Fan Club–specific content for most (if not all) of the year, while the other consistently showed up, created value, and rewarded their paying members. Seeing the former take the win begs a very real question: what is the point of the Fan Club category at all if a model can do virtually nothing for 11 months, then spend the final week or two asking members to buy in and still somehow win?

This contest is literally called Flirt of the Year. Winning a year-long category based on what appears to be a short-term push strips the competition of its meaning and undermines the effort of models - and members - who commit consistently across the entire year.

Like you, I’m not angry about a specific model winning. I’m disappointed in a process that feels disconnected from effort, engagement, and loyalty. Without clearer rules and transparency around how Fan Club rankings are determined, it becomes very hard to justify continued investment in a system that doesn’t seem to reward year-round excellence.
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Is there any contest on this site where the winner is determined by anything other than credits in [category]? Is it unfair if someone won flirt of the month but only worked 5 days, if they still had the most credits? I can't think of any other contest on this site where 'best' is evaluated by any other means than most credits, and I can't think of any objective way to do so. Quote

Is there any contest on this site where the winner is determined by anything other than credits in [category]? Is it unfair if someone won flirt of the month but only worked 5 days, if they still had the most credits? I can't think of any other contest on this site where 'best' is evaluated by any other means than most credits, and I can't think of any objective way to do so.


The site already tracks and rewards members for time spent in shows / doing C2C, likewise they track a models time online, and will automatically kick them offline if they sit in break for too long, I think it would be more than feasible for them to implement something that also tracks a models time spent in FC and use it to determine the winner of the FC category.

There are definitely ways of improving how the contests are judged, the main point for me is that the site should really be more transparent with how contests are actually judged (they changed the ways to win FC midway through the year after releasing Flirt.Fans, after telling people it would not be changed)
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The site already tracks and rewards members for time spent in shows / doing C2C, likewise they track a models time online, and will automatically kick them offline if they sit in break for too long, I think it would be more than feasible for them to implement something that also tracks a models time spent in FC and use it to determine the winner of the FC category.

There are definitely ways of improving how the contests are judged, the main point for me is that the site should really be more transparent with how contests are actually judged (they changed the ways to win FC midway through the year after releasing Flirt.Fans, after telling people it would not be changed)



Sure, things are tracked, but has there been any monetary award for winning contests related to that? I will say that there does seem to be one FOTY category that isn't about most credits - the stamina category which is just hours broadcasted. Do you want to reward the model who spends the most time doing fanclub stuff? It seems like you want to reward the model who does it the BEST, but how can you objectively evaluate that aside from credits? Or maybe you just want to establish some baseline level of fanclub activity in order to qualify for the category, but what is a fair way to establish those baselines? If someone would be willing to pay 20k credits just to have their name show up in a cool color in chat, how can someone say that's not valid?
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Sure, things are tracked, but has there been any monetary award for winning contests related to that? I will say that there does seem to be one FOTY category that isn't about most credits - the stamina category which is just hours broadcasted. Do you want to reward the model who spends the most time doing fanclub stuff? It seems like you want to reward the model who does it the BEST, but how can you objectively evaluate that aside from credits? Or maybe you just want to establish some baseline level of fanclub activity in order to qualify for the category, but what is a fair way to establish those baselines? If someone would be willing to pay 20k credits just to have their name show up in a cool color in chat, how can someone say that's not valid?


There are contests that kind of require models to put time in over a set period, the 3 day contest where x amount of credits need to be made per day come to mind, I think what we're trying to suggest is that the site should consider other aspects other than just the monetary value, mainly for FC as its a lot more than just an x amount of credits thing.

And the models actually utilising the aspects of Fan Club in their room, like the member only shows and the Flirt.Fans page should be able to benefit from those things by it affecting their rank, otherwise what's the actual point in the site giving them as an option if all it boils down to is credits spent? a model can do nothing in FC all year and still win, which doesn't make sense in my opinion.

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There are contests that kind of require models to put time in over a set period, the 3 day contest where x amount of credits need to be made per day come to mind, I think what we're trying to suggest is that the site should consider other aspects other than just the monetary value, mainly for FC as its a lot more than just an x amount of credits thing.

And the models actually utilising the aspects of Fan Club in their room, like the member only shows and the Flirt.Fans page should be able to benefit from those things by it affecting their rank, otherwise what's the actual point in the site giving them as an option if all it boils down to is credits spent? a model can do nothing in FC all year and still win, which doesn't make sense in my opinion.




I'm pretty sure those multi-day autowins just require one hour of broadcasting per day in addition to the required credits.

The models who make fanclub a rewarding experience for their fans are rewarded with the credits their fans spend within the fanclub, which increases their rank. The point of having fun options in fan club is to entertain fans and generate credits for the models. The point of the fanclub contest for FOTY is to celebrate and reward the models who generate the most credits. Again, I don't know how else you propose which model is 'best' at fanclub other than using credit numbers.
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I have been on the site for a number of years and the contests are won by those who have the fans that can purchase the win.
Enjoy the time you spend with your favorite models, support them the best you can, and don't go broke in the process. It is not worth the time to waste it on stressing over the contests.
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I'm pretty sure those multi-day autowins just require one hour of broadcasting per day in addition to the required credits.

The models who make fanclub a rewarding experience for their fans are rewarded with the credits their fans spend within the fanclub, which increases their rank. The point of having fun options in fan club is to entertain fans and generate credits for the models. The point of the fanclub contest for FOTY is to celebrate and reward the models who generate the most credits. Again, I don't know how else you propose which model is 'best' at fanclub other than using credit numbers.



Requiring models to actually utilise some of, if not all, the FC features and including them in how the ranks are calculated outside of just credits would be nice to see implemented so that it isn’t just about who has the deepest pockets, sort of like how if you want to win the party or group categories you have to actually invest time in doing the show type for each respectively and make credits during them.

Credits during an FC show have zero impact on the ranking to my understanding, it’s based off of purchases of the FC and content bought on Flirt.Fans.

I think a requirement to at least spend some time in FC shows (or if not that, at least allow credits earned during FC shows to be counted on the rank as they are currently) or posting on the Flirt.Fans page as part of the criteria for competing in that category IMO but hey, that’s just my opinion.
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Requiring models to actually utilise some of, if not all, the FC features and including them in how the ranks are calculated outside of just credits would be nice to see implemented so that it isn’t just about who has the deepest pockets, sort of like how if you want to win the party or group categories you have to actually invest time in doing the show type for each respectively and make credits during them.

Credits during an FC show have zero impact on the ranking to my understanding, it’s based off of purchases of the FC and content bought on Flirt.Fans.

I think a requirement to at least spend some time in FC shows (or if not that, at least allow credits earned during FC shows to be counted on the rank as they are currently) or posting on the Flirt.Fans page as part of the criteria for competing in that category IMO but hey, that’s just my opinion.



Including credits spent in fanclub shows would make sense, if that is not currently included. Mandating that models run their fanclub only how you want them to in order to qualify for a contest doesn't make sense. I have been in party chats where there have been no goals, and the model gets tipped a bunch without doing any actions - the member just wants to tip them. It sounds like you don't think those credits should count towards the party chat FOTY contest either. Who is going to go through and judge what credits are legitimate, and by what objective standards?
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