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News & Announcements: Two Weeks Without Whispers
Created by:
olddad12
2/10/12 @ 11:21am
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Location: new jersey
Posts: 25
well for everyone of you that have said they can vote with there pocketbook so can the other side of the coin i spent tons of money on this site . i still think the compromise would be better for A'll concern an vs have the results of the survey an i believe more people were annoyed with the way whisper work an the thread was 50/50 so lets see what happens . i was in room last night an seen on problems at A'll
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This is so wrong. I dont even know where to start.
I`ll be back in 2 weeks. And I certainly hope I will
be able to whisper. Quote
I`ll be back in 2 weeks. And I certainly hope I will
be able to whisper. Quote
Created by:
toppgun
2/10/12 @ 11:53am
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Location: Great White North
Posts: 278
I for one find the whisper function a valuable tool when i don't want to interrupt a pvt in the making. I don't use it alot but it sure is handy to whisper to one of my favorites "i will return in awhile good luck on getting the pvt"
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Created by:
grumpnose
2/10/12 @ 11:59am
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Location: where prince charming ruined all the fun
Posts: 691
lol similar ideas:
1) Indian burial ground? No problem! Lay the foundation right there.
2) Trump 2012
3) We'll cool the core with gasoline. High octane.
4) Let's introduce Mr Lickins to K1ller. They'll make great lil' playmates.
5) Damn it's cold down here in the hold Pilgrim, let's make a fire.
6) I'd like a Pabst to go with my black forest cheesecake.
My additions
1. Allow companies to continue off balance sheet disclosures...I don't think anyone needs to know. (enron anyone)
2. No need to disclose intelligence reliability on weopons of mass destruction, no one needs to know.
3. Why does anyone need to know about what information congressmen are using for their investments.
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Created by:
tikcuf
2/10/12 @ 12:25pm
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Location: Here and there
Posts: 44
I'm not reading any of the debate because I don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. I like the whispers, and wish you'd bring them back. I don't see how it can be confusing for a model. I've never had a problem with it leading to "disjointed chat experience" either, and that includes when others whisper to a model. I can tell when she's replying to a whisper, and it just rolls on.
I only pay attention in one room, frankly, and that's Dakota Bliss. She is quite adept at carrying on a number of conversations, both within open chat and with people whispering, and never misses a beat. On the rare occasion I pay attenion in other rooms, MOST of what I see is chatters asking models for this that or the other, and models urging tips and/or private shows. I know not all do it, because I occasionally see other conversation going on, but it's far from even half.
Whispers cause no harm. Simple as that. Quote
I only pay attention in one room, frankly, and that's Dakota Bliss. She is quite adept at carrying on a number of conversations, both within open chat and with people whispering, and never misses a beat. On the rare occasion I pay attenion in other rooms, MOST of what I see is chatters asking models for this that or the other, and models urging tips and/or private shows. I know not all do it, because I occasionally see other conversation going on, but it's far from even half.
Whispers cause no harm. Simple as that. Quote
Created by:
trooper154
2/10/12 @ 12:32pm
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Location: California
Posts: 105
Restore whispering. Don't even wait the full 2 week trial.
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Maybe Brad is trying to see if we can set a record for most posts on one topic in a two week period. This might have a chance. 
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Created by:
w0lfie
2/10/12 @ 1:19pm
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Location: Pennsylvania, USA
Posts: 56
Yes I know, use the mail client that F4F provided....
I've had models tell me that they don't have access to the F4F mail client. Don't know if this is BS, or not. But if it's true, then how would you communicate / negotiate a private?
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I've had models tell me that they don't have access to the F4F mail client. Don't know if this is BS, or not. But if it's true, then how would you communicate / negotiate a private?
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I whisper from time to time....it is usually related to a show, advice for a model or something no one else needs to know.
Whisper is a good thing to have.
Too many rules/regulations = less fun Quote
Whisper is a good thing to have.
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I think that Whispering should be stoped for good becasue most of the time I do not talk to a performer because they are trying to follow the conversation in open chat and try to answer the Whispers but I think it would be a good IDEA to have a whisper button or something like that to ask a performer to go into a private show.
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I think that Whispering should be stoped for good becasue most of the time I do not talk to a performer because they are trying to follow the conversation in open chat and try to answer the Whispers but I think it would be a good IDEA to have a whisper button or something like that to ask a performer to go into a private show.
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Hey Brad,
Removing the "Whispering" Function is a bad idea. Here's why...
As any customer, including yourself, would tell you that options are always a plus. It drives ideas, competition, and more educated purchases. As with anything in the world, it is abused. True. However, that is human nature to find loopholes around things.
But you cannot take away options from your members and not think it would create negative consequences. Netflix is a prime example. Netflix wanted took away their customer's options to either watch a movie in streaming of have a dvd delivered under one option. Instead, they divided the options into separate items at a higher price, causing an uproar among the users and a deluge of members dropping their Netflix accounts. Netflix once ruled digital viewing of movies and television shows. However, after a series of poor decisions, they are now threatened by competitors RedBox, Amazon Prime, Hulu Plus, and several others.
Now I do not think you will have as large an uproar as Netflix did, but you will alienate and turn off a lot of members who are appreciative of the options they have in communicating with their favorite models.
I do like the whispering function myself as I feel I can make a private comment directly at my favorite models - like inside jokes, an exchange of something from a previous conversation, etc.
One of the most frequently mentioned topics in the 2011 year-end survey was whispering. There has also been a very active thread in the VIP message forums on this topic for the past few months.
BACKGROUND: For the past couple of years we have limited whispering to where only customers can whisper to performers, i.e. the performer cannot whisper back.
Both sides of the issue definitely have good points. Whispering does provide the ability to send a private message to a performer, but at the cost of a disjointed conversation within the chat and a confusing experience for the performer.
Our goal going into 2012 has been finding ways to make the site more fun and part of those efforts centers around increasing the activity in the rooms. In its present state whispering detracts from the overall conversation and thus appears to run counter to our goals.
Starting Thursday, February 9th we will being to roll-out a chat system change to temporarily disable whispering for two-weeks. If you attempt to whisper the message will not be sent and you will be reminded about the temporary ban on whispering.
Whispering will still be available during paid shows, mostly applicable to multi-user shows.
Thank you in advance for your patience and understanding as we test this change to our site. We realize that there were many other good ideas about how to curtail whispers but we made a decision to test this change first.
Sincerely,
Brad
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Removing the "Whispering" Function is a bad idea. Here's why...
As any customer, including yourself, would tell you that options are always a plus. It drives ideas, competition, and more educated purchases. As with anything in the world, it is abused. True. However, that is human nature to find loopholes around things.
But you cannot take away options from your members and not think it would create negative consequences. Netflix is a prime example. Netflix wanted took away their customer's options to either watch a movie in streaming of have a dvd delivered under one option. Instead, they divided the options into separate items at a higher price, causing an uproar among the users and a deluge of members dropping their Netflix accounts. Netflix once ruled digital viewing of movies and television shows. However, after a series of poor decisions, they are now threatened by competitors RedBox, Amazon Prime, Hulu Plus, and several others.
Now I do not think you will have as large an uproar as Netflix did, but you will alienate and turn off a lot of members who are appreciative of the options they have in communicating with their favorite models.
I do like the whispering function myself as I feel I can make a private comment directly at my favorite models - like inside jokes, an exchange of something from a previous conversation, etc.
One of the most frequently mentioned topics in the 2011 year-end survey was whispering. There has also been a very active thread in the VIP message forums on this topic for the past few months.
BACKGROUND: For the past couple of years we have limited whispering to where only customers can whisper to performers, i.e. the performer cannot whisper back.
Both sides of the issue definitely have good points. Whispering does provide the ability to send a private message to a performer, but at the cost of a disjointed conversation within the chat and a confusing experience for the performer.
Our goal going into 2012 has been finding ways to make the site more fun and part of those efforts centers around increasing the activity in the rooms. In its present state whispering detracts from the overall conversation and thus appears to run counter to our goals.
Starting Thursday, February 9th we will being to roll-out a chat system change to temporarily disable whispering for two-weeks. If you attempt to whisper the message will not be sent and you will be reminded about the temporary ban on whispering.
Whispering will still be available during paid shows, mostly applicable to multi-user shows.
Thank you in advance for your patience and understanding as we test this change to our site. We realize that there were many other good ideas about how to curtail whispers but we made a decision to test this change first.
Sincerely,
Brad
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Created by:
ronnie-uk
2/10/12 @ 3:55pm
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Location: London, UK
Posts: 2,381
I love to see a good debate in the forums, and I have read the 245 posts (so far) on this topic here and in the General Discussions forum.
At the risk of being attacked from both sides, could I summarise what appear to be the main arguments for and against whispering to models:
FOR
- giving confidential advice or warnings to newer models (eg best to wait for tip before showing)
- making confidential suggestions (eg if you do group chat now for 500, I will go up to 250)
- avoiding embarassment in asking about particular fetishes or unusual requests
- avoiding intimidation by badly behaved members who ridicule, criticise or belittle
- making the relationship with the model feel more personal and intimate
AGAINST
- making the model appear unresponsive, and not "live"
- making the chat room appear dead and empty
- making the regular users feel excluded
- causing confusion when model replies to whispers rather than on-screen questions
If this is a fair summary, I think the balance of the argument is in favour of whispering. However, the negative aspects are reduced if whispering can be kept to a minimum.
There have been some interesting compromise solutions suggested including: whisper limits, making whispers available to VIPs only, letting individual models decide whether some or all members in their room can whisper, and general warnings or comments to discourage too much whispering.
One new suggestion: VS have made it easier to whisper by simply requiring a "/" before typing the whisper. Previously it was necessary to type "/" and the first 3 letters of the model's name and a space. Perhaps if it was necessary to type something like "/whisper/" first, it might keep down the amount of whispering. Just a thought.... Quote
At the risk of being attacked from both sides, could I summarise what appear to be the main arguments for and against whispering to models:
FOR
- giving confidential advice or warnings to newer models (eg best to wait for tip before showing)
- making confidential suggestions (eg if you do group chat now for 500, I will go up to 250)
- avoiding embarassment in asking about particular fetishes or unusual requests
- avoiding intimidation by badly behaved members who ridicule, criticise or belittle
- making the relationship with the model feel more personal and intimate
AGAINST
- making the model appear unresponsive, and not "live"
- making the chat room appear dead and empty
- making the regular users feel excluded
- causing confusion when model replies to whispers rather than on-screen questions
If this is a fair summary, I think the balance of the argument is in favour of whispering. However, the negative aspects are reduced if whispering can be kept to a minimum.
There have been some interesting compromise solutions suggested including: whisper limits, making whispers available to VIPs only, letting individual models decide whether some or all members in their room can whisper, and general warnings or comments to discourage too much whispering.
One new suggestion: VS have made it easier to whisper by simply requiring a "/" before typing the whisper. Previously it was necessary to type "/" and the first 3 letters of the model's name and a space. Perhaps if it was necessary to type something like "/whisper/" first, it might keep down the amount of whispering. Just a thought.... Quote
I like all the threats of not coming back to Flirt, because they can't Whisper. See you in next week. Seems like the ones that can't live without Whisper are the ones who are too cheap to Tip, Pledge, or go Private. If you have something to tell a Model that is so dire take them Private for a minute or send them a Flirt e-mail. They should charge 10 credits if you want to send a Model a Whisper. That way all these people with Chronic Whisper Syndrome, will think if their Whisper is really that important or not.
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Created by:
carousel
2/10/12 @ 4:24pm
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Location: forgotten backroad standing still in time
Posts: 761
Said before whispering doesn't bother me, but what an absurd notion that people that whisper don't spend.
But since you're so absolute, why not charge 10 credits for every "show your tits/ass/feet baby" or "change into ____ and i'll take you private for an hour" when there's no intent to spend a dime, while you're at it.
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But since you're so absolute, why not charge 10 credits for every "show your tits/ass/feet baby" or "change into ____ and i'll take you private for an hour" when there's no intent to spend a dime, while you're at it.
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yes i whisper and apparently that makes me cheap. so what if i still have the 120 FREE credits i got for signing up 6 years ago. that's besides the point. i like to whisper because it makes me feel special. i cant help it if i'm a needy fucker. i'm not about to spend my 120 credits on just any model, ya know :P
oh fuck. i'm keeelling my own argument but thought things are getting too tense 'round here...
anyway, jokes aside - as many would argue, flirt was fine before whispers were introduced - but i would argue that flirt was also fine before tipping, before party chat, before group chat too! everything evolves and adapts - no sense in going back now. whispers were there and we should have learned to deal with it like we did all other "functions and features" that were introduced. is flirt saying that the state of the site is not as good as it was pre-whispers? i think not. but that's just me.
ok what if i type "/yesbradyouarethemanisitokifiwhispernow hi bb" Quote
oh fuck. i'm keeelling my own argument but thought things are getting too tense 'round here...
anyway, jokes aside - as many would argue, flirt was fine before whispers were introduced - but i would argue that flirt was also fine before tipping, before party chat, before group chat too! everything evolves and adapts - no sense in going back now. whispers were there and we should have learned to deal with it like we did all other "functions and features" that were introduced. is flirt saying that the state of the site is not as good as it was pre-whispers? i think not. but that's just me.
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Maybe make Whispering a Privilege that the Model can choose who they let whisper to them. If you abuse it they can take it away from you. I've been to other sites where the Models, actually charge for that Privilege or Free to good customers. Sometimes I hear Flirt Models getting angry because someone is whispering insults to them, and they don't want to Ban them because it lowers their Power Score.
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