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Created by: perfessir

12/20/17 @ 10:21pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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Well hello there perfessir, welcome to the forums.

I didn't know members could see a tally of how many credits we were earning in party mode, interesting. Will have to look into that. I would love to do hardcore party shows with a gazillion viewers and buttload of small tippers (which I've done before) every time I sign on but it doesn't compare to the haul from a decent private. It's the freeloaders taking advantage of the party mode with no intention of ever tipping, going private, or even joining the site that is frustrating. There is just something about doing something for free, then trying to sell it afterwards that doesn't seem very productive.

The problem is once most members realize a model does party chats they wait for those. Why pay a crapload on a private 1on1 when you can watch a party for free? I've seen guests (grays) ask when the next party is - they don't even have to register and they know they'll get a free show. Very, very discouraging. I emailed f4f and suggested that maybe only members with credits could access party chats to help avoid all the freeloaders - their response was it helps bring in new customers. Granted there are hardcore members that enjoy tipping, doing privates, and participating on these forums like some of you... But let's face it, the average member on this site signs on cock-in-hand looking for the cheapest and quickest way to a good fap.

//end rant

I don't see a running tally during party tips. But I know how to read your gifts (tips) list in your detailed bio, and I know how to count. I pretty much agree with everything else you said. But that doesn't change what I said first: I've seen lots of performers make credits into the thousands during party chats. Perhaps you or any model should reassess what he does in party chats if he's not making enough credits there. I also agree with flirt's response about allowing non credit owners to view parties; that entices new spenders.

I've gone through the entire gamut, under a different username of course, from scared and unregistered, to registered and uneasy, to buying one round of credits and intending to buy no more, to frequent spender when I started getting the hang of the site (and liking what I saw) to becoming a five-figure (dollars) or six-figure (credits) spender and spending on one model more than all of his other customers combined. By the time I was in that last category, I was somewhat managing his activities and I too got very frustrated at freeloaders. It was the model who reminded me that giving away samples enticed new and bigger spenders, just like he enticed me all along.

If you don't want to be seen naked for free, maybe one of those other sites is better; I've heard that one of them doesn't allow models to get naked except in private.

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Created by: Coreymoore

12/21/17 @ 11:52am (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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If you don't want to be seen naked for free, maybe one of those other sites is better; I've heard that one of them doesn't allow models to get naked except in private.

That's exactly how F4F was when I signed up. Nudity only in private, and if you were caught doing otherwise you were penalized credits. Now there are models butt naked with toys up their hiney in free/teaser chat. For me personally I think that is the best choice - performing on a site that doesn't give away the goods for free and enforces the nudity-only-in-private rule. You can give guests enough to entice them to join without whipping out your weiner or sitting on a cucumber. The members that are willing to tip well, pay for privates, etc are likely looking for more than that anyways. It was fun while it lasted. :guitar

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Created by: z-money

12/21/17 @ 5:48pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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That's exactly how F4F was when I signed up. Nudity only in private, and if you were caught doing otherwise you were penalized credits. Now there are models butt naked with toys up their hiney in free/teaser chat. For me personally I think that is the best choice - performing on a site that doesn't give away the goods for free and enforces the nudity-only-in-private rule. You can give guests enough to entice them to join without whipping out your weiner or sitting on a cucumber. The members that are willing to tip well, pay for privates, etc are likely looking for more than that anyways. It was fun while it lasted. :guitar

Ruh roh.

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/23/17 @ 12:18am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
Location: California, USA
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Other model's nudity is NOT contributing to the downfall of the site.
I have NO idea why this is a concern which keeps surfacing.
There is no downfall. There is hardly that much nudity. It's an adult site.
There's entirely too much whining about things which have literally NO effect on your lives as either a model or a customer.
#MindYourOwnBusiness

:twocents

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Created by: perfessir

12/23/17 @ 3:07am (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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I think you are right, but being right in this case ignores the views of all those others who are control freaks.

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Created by: myelmo

12/23/17 @ 4:51am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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I think you are right, but being right in this case ignores the views of all those others who are control freaks.

a member who disagree with me sometimes is not a control freeks :bulb

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Created by: myelmo

12/23/17 @ 4:53am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Created by: asti

12/23/17 @ 8:47am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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If you don't want to be seen naked for free, maybe one of those other sites is better; I've heard that one of them doesn't allow models to get naked except in private.

F4F used to be one of those sites. :winkwink

Something about shielding from the general public and m.inors :angel

. Then if started :bulb

Party Chat :party

and that idea went out the window :drinkup

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Created by: perfessir

12/24/17 @ 12:04am (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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a member who disagree with me sometimes is not a control freeks :bulb

In no way was I discussing people who agree or disagree with you, elmo.

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/24/17 @ 2:17am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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I think you are right, but being right in this case ignores the views of all those others who are control freaks.

I believe that Social Control is a form of sexual fetish. I see so many people who are in the bdsm community and they love making up all these rules based on odd moral views which they take as absolute truth which literally no one else shares.
They have INCREDIBLY strange views surrounding consent which they'll tell you is how things should be and what the law says ... even though it's not true.
It's almost a sexual religion based around social control.
To be clear, I'm not talking about people who are into a little tie-me-up or whipping. I can get into that on occasion. That's just role play. The play ends and we go back to reality.
I'm talking about people are are part of the bdsm community specifically. They're kinda looney toons. When someone starts making declarative moral statements, especially about sex and especially about consent, just ask "Are you into BDSM?"

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Created by: zyxwv098

12/24/17 @ 2:49am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Created by: asti

12/24/17 @ 8:07am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Ah tolerance, those who demand it from others :bowdown

forget it is required of them as well. :thumbsup

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Created by: zyxwv098

12/24/17 @ 12:15pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Ah tolerance, those who demand it from others :bowdown

forget it is required of them as well. :thumbsup

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Created by: asti

12/24/17 @ 4:07pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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I fear you are right, Asti...I apologize for my rant. I do try to be tolerant and keep my silence as long as possible, until something triggers me to speak up. I apologize to the other posters on this thread.

Zyxw098, no apology necessary. What you said previously I don't consider a rant. I agree with you and will speak up when a comment warrants. Tolerance is not silence. It isn't reserved for only one ideology either; that is the opposite meaning of the word. It's all good Z. :thumbsup

The site had standards giving it a prestige in the industry. Does that prestige remain? I don't know. However, simply because a site offers sexual content does not mean it shouldn't have standards. I believe this site continues to offer advantages, the bottom has not fallen out. It has changed and wanting it to be how it was is understandable, though unlikely. As individuals we are the ones to accept or restrict the impact those changes have on us.

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Created by: Taryn Holz

12/26/17 @ 2:23am (EST) |UTC - 5:00

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Not sure if the site provides a guide book for any of these new performers, but think it is really required.
The TOY has finally taken over the site and lets just say it cannot be easy for any new performer starting out on the site. Sorry guys but think the days of making money on the site are long over if you are not able to spice up your chat room. Somehow any performer has to look outside the box and all out nudity is not the option.
So many performers fail to take advantage of viewers entering the room in merely trying to engage with them. Yep there are those viewers who keep repeating SHOW COCK or LETS SEE ASS, but guys the key is to TEASE them back.
There are a lot of good members out there and well worth having in the room. Talk to those who enter the room and for heavens sake turn of the whisper and don't whisper to them. Activity in the chat room is always a must and face it can make the time online worth while. Stop with the thinking that privates happen every 15 minutes and had fun with those in your room. The days of the free and easy path on the site are long over and doubt they will ever return so enjoy your time. I am not saying it is impossible to reach for the top on the site, but rather taking advantage of everything the site offers is a must and merely giving it your all.
Hope some performers get a positive feel to this message because guy we all want Flirt to be the awesome site that it should be.
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I totally agree. Although I do not do this long enough to really call myself a seasoned performer, I do know how to engage and attract an audience fully clothed. Remember there are two types of customers: 1. The horny customers: They come on here to get off. They will do a 5 minute private chat to see what you got, and then they are done. 2. Then there is the lonely customer: They are here to engage and simply want somebody to talk to them, and treat them like human beings. They will come back time and time again to see you and will spend the most on private chats. Although both are important, customer 2 is the most valuable when it comes to making a profit. Try to remember that personality and charm will get you farther than sex.

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Created by: louisphillippe

12/26/17 @ 8:29am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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The most perfect analysis of what camming in
a sex site is all about... :thumbsup

You just condensed in a few words what we have been trying
to say for years!!! :angel

Commandment number 1,page 1 of chapter 1 of the
Flirt4Free bible!!! :bowdown

I smell an Oscar here folks!!! :winkwink

Thank you so much for your input handsome TARYN... :drinkup

MODELS: take note.

MEMBERS: do not forget... :drinkup

Just my

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/26/17 @ 9:53pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
Location: California, USA
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I see...so all the members and models who remember when the site restricted full nudity to shows and party chats, who remember when party chat was restricted to only registered members, and who wish the site had continued to enforce these restrictions (for better or for worse)...we are all control freaks who should mind our own business and should not comment on what we see as being unhelpful "improvements" to the site, as being hindrances and problems to the models we visit and are friendly with and care about, and are dissatisfying to us as individuals.

Yes, I do indeed understand now.

Sort of Yes. Sort of No.
YES please comment.
NO don't be overbearing about it.
1. Flirt is THE #1 Cam site on the internet. They changed and adapted based on data. They aren't lagging into obscurity. They are huge and growing. This due to the changes they made, not despite the changes.
These are NOT unhelpful improvements. The changes work despite your preferences. Your preferences make up a small contingent which the site is willing to lose to garner a larger audience.
2. Since the site is more profitable, models who have "been around" who aren't adapting to the new ways need to adapt. This is capitalism. It's adapt or die on here.
We've discussed how models look mopey and disengaged. We've discussed how many are unfamiliar with the tools and how to strategize around the tools with good audience engagement. It's their own fault.
3. You're complaining. You're not making recommendations. Perhaps there's another niche or market aspect which could be better played to. Sure! Let's do it! Flirt might have missed something.
The issue is that you're not trying to improve a system which is improving itself. You're asking it to revert to a less functional model.
4. There's definitely an overtly strong tone of demand which goes beyond mere complaint, as if a site which is succeeding is doing something wrong because they aren't doing it your way. If Flirt does something I don't like, I inform them and maybe they integrate my idea, maybe they don't. It's a communication and I accept their decisions.
This No Nudity thing is like an ongoing political campaign for all 3 of you.

Conclusively ... yeah, our reaction to this arrogant, entitled approach which clings the ye olden ways is to dismiss it. Maybe it's not the best reaction but please realize you're legitimately irritating.
The SOLUTION is to have some humility and respect for the much larger audience who disagrees with your desires and demands. State what you like and what you want. Work WITH the systems Flirt provides to create an environment you like more ... and be comfortable when you hear No, like the rest of us.
Just realize that the rest of us are interested in creating an environment which suits as many people as possible. Don't turn possible allies into enemies. If your preferences can be integrated, we'll work with you to get that done, even if they're minority preferences.

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Created by: twixel

12/26/17 @ 11:52pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Guess I completely misunderstood this post, it seems to have reverted back to the same old arguments.

:offtopic

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Created by: louisphillippe

12/27/17 @ 1:06pm (EST) |UTC - 5:00
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Sort of Yes. Sort of No.
YES please comment.
NO don't be overbearing about it.
1. Flirt is THE #1 Cam site on the internet. They changed and adapted based on data. They aren't lagging into obscurity. They are huge and growing. This due to the changes they made, not despite the changes.
These are NOT unhelpful improvements. The changes work despite your preferences. Your preferences make up a small contingent which the site is willing to lose to garner a larger audience.
2. Since the site is more profitable, models who have "been around" who aren't adapting to the new ways need to adapt. This is capitalism. It's adapt or die on here.
We've discussed how models look mopey and disengaged. We've discussed how many are unfamiliar with the tools and how to strategize around the tools with good audience engagement. It's their own fault.
3. You're complaining. You're not making recommendations. Perhaps there's another niche or market aspect which could be better played to. Sure! Let's do it! Flirt might have missed something.
The issue is that you're not trying to improve a system which is improving itself. You're asking it to revert to a less functional model.
4. There's definitely an overtly strong tone of demand which goes beyond mere complaint, as if a site which is succeeding is doing something wrong because they aren't doing it your way. If Flirt does something I don't like, I inform them and maybe they integrate my idea, maybe they don't. It's a communication and I accept their decisions.
This No Nudity thing is like an ongoing political campaign for all 3 of you.

Conclusively ... yeah, our reaction to this arrogant, entitled approach which clings the ye olden ways is to dismiss it. Maybe it's not the best reaction but please realize you're legitimately irritating.
The SOLUTION is to have some humility and respect for the much larger audience who disagrees with your desires and demands. State what you like and what you want. Work WITH the systems Flirt provides to create an environment you like more ... and be comfortable when you hear No, like the rest of us.
Just realize that the rest of us are interested in creating an environment which suits as many people as possible. Don't turn possible allies into enemies. If your preferences can be integrated, we'll work with you to get that done, even if they're minority preferences.

:thumbsup

Sadly

you are 100% correct and you awesome analysis of the situation is very
educational and enlightening.... :thumbsup

In fact THE MOST perfectly resumed analysis of what
ail us,bug us and bother us veteran members in general... :guitar

Time to pack up and find better pastures I guess...

obviously I'm not going to find here what I was looking for...

:angel

Thanks for the wake up call!!! :thumbsup

Just my

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Created by: freneticallycalm

12/29/17 @ 3:29am (EST) |UTC - 5:00
Location: California, USA
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Sadly

you are 100% correct and you awesome analysis of the situation is very
educational and enlightening.... :thumbsup

In fact THE MOST perfectly resumed analysis of what
ail us,bug us and bother us veteran members in general... :guitar

Time to pack up and find better pastures I guess...

obviously I'm not going to find here what I was looking for...

:angel

Thanks for the wake up call!!! :thumbsup

Just my

...

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Somehow I doubt you're leaving us. :orglaugh

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