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I'm super late responding to this, but what the heck... I'm here now.
What you suggest about models' responsibility to their customers sounds lovely in theory, but I'm afraid I don't see that being very viable in practice; especially in situations such as this one. I believe the very problem is that the model has already failed to deliver in this (the 2000 credits) case. Assuming that the model is operating in good faith and that this was probably just a misunderstanding (something I prefer to do until the contrary is almost undeniable), the model most likely has no clue that there is a very unhappy customer who didn't get what they paid for. That customer needs to make their concerns known to the model in order for that model to be able to do anything about it in the first place. The model can't be expected to proactively apologize and propose solutions for a problem whose existence they may not even be aware of. Hence, OP should talk to the model and see how they can clear that up, since the model can't react to an issue that no one has ever raised. Once the model is made aware of the problem, then I agree that the onus is on them to issue an apology and to make up for that error.
If after the model is aware that there is an issue they choose to do nothing or to simply ignore it altogether, then I believe that it's safe to assume that they are operating in bad faith, and further action with the site itself might be necessary. But until then, I still think it's advisable to talk to the model. Again, this mainly applies to the model in the first case, as I still don't think there's enough context here to say much of anything about the second situation described with the 20k credits. I hope that makes more sense. Quote
I'm super late responding to this, but what the heck... I'm here now.
What you suggest about models' responsibility to their customers sounds lovely in theory, but I'm afraid I don't see that being very viable in practice; especially in situations such as this one. I believe the very problem is that the model has already failed to deliver in this (the 2000 credits) case. Assuming that the model is operating in good faith and that this was probably just a misunderstanding (something I prefer to do until the contrary is almost undeniable), the model most likely has no clue that there is a very unhappy customer who didn't get what they paid for. That customer needs to make their concerns known to the model in order for that model to be able to do anything about it in the first place. The model can't be expected to proactively apologize and propose solutions for a problem whose existence they may not even be aware of. Hence, OP should talk to the model and see how they can clear that up, since the model can't react to an issue that no one has ever raised. Once the model is made aware of the problem, then I agree that the onus is on them to issue an apology and to make up for that error.
If after the model is aware that there is an issue they choose to do nothing or to simply ignore it altogether, then I believe that it's safe to assume that they are operating in bad faith, and further action with the site itself might be necessary. But until then, I still think it's advisable to talk to the model. Again, this mainly applies to the model in the first case, as I still don't think there's enough context here to say much of anything about the second situation described with the 20k credits. I hope that makes more sense.
I doubt seriously it was just a mistake. I've frequently had the experience of a model in party chat getting tip after tip after tip, and then his sugar daddy shows up and before you know it, the party's over and he's off in private. I even saw one guy come in when the party was almost at its goal and say to the model right out loud in the room, "End the party NOW. I want you." And the model, of course, obeyed.
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I doubt seriously it was just a mistake. I've frequently had the experience of a model in party chat getting tip after tip after tip, and then his sugar daddy shows up and before you know it, the party's over and he's off in private. I even saw one guy come in when the party was almost at its goal and say to the model right out loud in the room, "End the party NOW. I want you." And the model, of course, obeyed.
unfortunately this does happen sometimes, what they can do is, how did a model which I have on my list, he said to that user, right now I am in a party there are several users enjoying it you can help or later when I finish we will pvt, anyway If in the party only I am giving and no one else is going to tip, and there are many watching free, I tell him to end the party and go to pvt, to say in public, at the request of the only tipper, the party ends Quote
I doubt seriously it was just a mistake. I've frequently had the experience of a model in party chat getting tip after tip after tip, and then his sugar daddy shows up and before you know it, the party's over and he's off in private. I even saw one guy come in when the party was almost at its goal and say to the model right out loud in the room, "End the party NOW. I want you." And the model, of course, obeyed.
**I apologize in advance for the lengthy reply; this really was never supposed to span paragraphs.**
It's starting to feel like we're going in circles. Like Diiegos said, what you described here does happen; I have also seen that kind of thing in several models' rooms where a regular large tipper appears near the end of a goal or really at any point, starts making their demands, and then the party is suddenly over. But to be fair, that is highly unusual and not the norm (at least not in my experience here), and situations can vary substantially: if the person calling for a party to end immediately is responsible for 80% of the credits accumulated during that party, you can reasonably expect the party to come to a swift conclusion. Now, if this is a 12k credits party, the people responsible for contributing 2400 credits may not be very happy about that because they still contributed a lot... but I'm sure you can imagine (and may have even seen for yourself) that a single very large tipper can easily drown out everyone else's tips to the point where barely anyone even remembers that other people are still tipping. In other words, 2400 credits from many different users during a party chat may speak volumes, but 9600 credits from a single person in that same party chat screams so much louder that it may actually be the only sound anyone, including the model, remembers hearing when all is said and done. This is especially true when that one large tipper is responsible for more than 3 times the total tips of everyone else combined. The models aren't necessarily immune to that 'drowning out' effect that large tippers can oftentimes have. There's a decent chance that this may very well be part of the problem. If all the model can remember is "every few minutes [some_username] sends me a large tip," then [some_username] is very likely the only person calling the shots in that party, never mind the fact that 2400 credits came in from many smaller tips due to other people's participation. A model deciding to obey that large tipper isn't necessarily trying to pull a fast one on everyone else. AFAIK, it is usually only the most experienced models who are able to take a step back and resist the temptation to get so caught up in the moment that they allow this one person to completely absorb 100% of their attention with those large tips. In a situation like that, I don't think it's crazy to imagine that most may genuinely not realize some of their other members might be upset until someone actually says something to them. Which is why I think that OP should just talk to the model.
So while some models absolutely abandon all of their other members every time one of their "sugar daddies" shows up and tells them to do so, I don't see how assuming that this is what happened in this case *without* actually talking to the model helps. I just think it makes sense to give the model a chance to respond to the complaint that they didn't live up to the expectation set by themself (and which they were paid for). To be totally clear, I'm not saying that what happened with that model was an honest mistake, but I am saying that I don't think it makes a lot of sense to ignore the value of simply talking to them to figure out where their head is at regarding whatever happened (or didn't happen). There's literally no harm in simply sending the model a message on the site -- it's the same amount of effort as writing a post here. All I'm saying is, why not do that and speak directly to them, or even whisper to them in the chat the next time they are live? Either way, it'll quickly become clear whether a model intends to acknowledge that they screwed up, and to make good on what they previously said they would have done.
Basically, my main thing here is that I kinda take issue with what seems to be an immediate and unreasonable (in my view) assumption of ill intent. In short, someone f**king something up doesn't necessarily mean that they intended or planned to f**k it up... and sometimes they may just not realize that they have f**ked something up without someone else telling them that they f**ked up. I literally don't know how else to put it here, since the only way to figure out where the model is on this issue, and what transpired from their end would be to talk to them. Quote
You're absolutely right; it is incredibly short-sighted, and it will ultimately hurt the model in the long run if that kind of behavior becomes a pattern or is sustained long enough. But it's very hard to imagine that any such model would change and learn to properly satisfy their customers if people just slowly disappear, but no one ever tells them anything -- some of them (especially the ones with less experience) obviously haven't quite figured it all out by themselves. Hence, this kind of stuff keeps happening. Quote
Well what you say, it is better if the bar will soon fill in party finish, in case it goes to pvt it could lose many users who made Tip and did not see the end of the show. That way they won't have an empty room. That way they won't have an empty room. And as they said in the last comment, it is better to tell the model what he did wrong or what happened, so that on another occasion, he does not do it again, or thinks that it is better at that moment depending on the situation to continue in a party or go pvt Quote